I've just seen it - "shouting match" is the first thing that springs to my mind
I better get some sleep before I mean anything about it.
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Nikolenka |
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I've just seen it - "shouting match" is the first thing that springs to my mind |
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JasmineStill |
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Now you've seen it, do you want to read some punters' comments about it here? http://www.whatsonstage.c...showtopic=5718&st=40 Some rather mixed views. Mirren
and Cooper seem to have come off rather badly compared with Tyzack and Shrapnel (though there's a suggestion that Tyzack was having some trouble with her
teeth last night!)
Edited to say: Katherine, thank you very much for the link.
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Nikolenka |
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SPOILERS - SPOILERS - SPOILERS
Sleep didn't change anything: I still think it was two hours of shouting. Of course, the sound was way too loud, it was a movie theatre after all, but in this production distress is measured in decibel. And then there was the camera which was quite revealing. Margaret Tyzack (indeed, there was something strange about her teeth, it was as if she wore another person's dentures) and John Shrapnel easily survived the close-ups - they were great in their parts. But Helen Mirren fell through: she was acting - I didn't believe in her for one moment. A really strange thing was that HM was stooping most of the time while DC was standing stiff as a flagpole. Didn't Hytner know what to do with them? Apart from that "Phedre" is a great text and I enjoyed Ted Hughes' version very much. And I liked the way those in bad faith - Phedre, Oenone, and Thesee - constantly tried to escape their guilt by blaming others. Rather human I'm afraid. The next NT broadcast is "All's Well That Ends Well" in October. I'm definitely going to see it - and it's probably better suited for a cinema near you than "Phedre". Stanley Townsend won the shouting match by the way. |
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JasmineStill |
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All's Well is an interesting production. It's a peculiar play, not one of Sh's best, but it's a very good production of it IMHO, and the second half is great. |
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KatherineY |
ReL REL OT" Phedre" national theater | ||
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Thank you Nik! SHOUTING MATCH Katheirne |
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KatherineY |
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Here is Today's NY TIMES review on Phedre broadcasting!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/theater/30phedre.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper Hope it works! Best, Katherine |
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JasmineStill |
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Thanks for that, Katherine. It seems to be a good review, eventually, after the whinge!
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JaneVictor |
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Saw the theatre production at the NTh yesterday, then a 'Platform' interview with Nicholas Hytner. 'Shouting match' is to some extent an
accurate description Nik, in my opinion, but the high decibels (even in the theatre!) contrasted with some very soft lines, which I couldn't always catch.
Someone asked NH if the NTh tested whether actors could be heard well in all parts of the theatre - he said 'they' did sit in various parts to do that
& there was no problem with this play. He suggested, in the most tactful way, that the man's hearing was not what it might have been, but I think
unless there is sufficient voice projection then softer utterances do tend to be lost. On reflection I can't remember ever NOT hearing RF's lines, but
that's by the by. Pity though, because John Shrapnel has some beautiful lines to deliver.
I admired Ted Hughes' physical, earthy, & what NH called 'muscular' language. NH said THughes had obviously realised that it would be impossible to try & emulate the rhyming lines of Racine - the English language is much more difficult to rhyme than French of course. But he obviously thought TH had done a brilliant job, & hadn't wanted to commission a new translation of the Racine text. I understand what you meant Nik by Helen Mirren 'stooping', but I didn't interpret her body language as that - more like the Greek-style poses, ie in traditional Greek theatre; almost an over-emphasis on body line & wide gesture. I liked the way she crouched on the ground, embracing it in what I'd call a 'choreographed' way, ie just like a dancer would. This image was emphasised by the soft, flowing gowns the women wore, which I thought were attractive, though I do wish we could have a change from 'modern' military uniforms & heavy boots for the men. She did shout a lot, then dropped her voice almost out of existence. Dominic Cooper - well he certainly looked the young athlete he was supposed to be; the hunter, the offspring of an Amazon queen. But yes, a flagpole Nick, though some critic admired his 'stillness'. I really didn't believe that Phedre was consumed with passion, that she was in agony with her desire for Hippolytus: I was slightly more convinced by her sense of shame. I didn't believe that Hippolytus really loved Aricia either, though I thought Aricia (Ruth Negga) was lively, fiesty & a young woman with great spirit. On the whole, regrettably, I felt the play was "...words, words, words..." as Hamlet said, & gradually I tended to just listen to the language, & let the actors agonise their way through it all. I thought the harsh 'Mediterranean' light was spot on! The heavy, sloping set 'roof' & the huge jagged rock pillar were supposed to indicate a sense of imprisonment - minimal & effective. NH said the team had been challenged by the need to suggest the passing of the sun across the open side of the set - they wanted a powerful light and harsh sun to link in with the myth of Phedre being the offspring of Zeus & Pasiphae, 'said to be the daughter of the Sun.' I enjoyed seeing the play, but I've sufficient reservations to prevent my wanting to see it again. Nearly forgot: for the Simon Russell Beale admirers, Nicholas Hytner 'revealed' that SRB WILL play 'Lear' - but not for 2 years or so. |
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Alkioni2 |
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he said 'they' did sit in various parts to do that & there was no problem with this play. He suggested, in the most tactful way, that the man's
hearing was not what it might have been, but I think unless there is sufficient voice projection then softer utterances do tend to be lost.
Hi Jane, Thanks for telling us your opinion and observations about the play. I just wanted to comment on the above: if the actors voices cant be heard we have a problem, especially here: Epidavrous is famous about its good acoustic but dont forget it is an open air theatre of 5.000 audiences. If the audience ( by the way most of them will be Greeks and most probably they wont know English by heart- they will also have to follow the subtitles) cant hear the actors voices so wel, then we will have a problem. I dont want tosay anything else since i will have my own opinion about the whole progect after my own experience. SRB isnt too young to play King Lear? Even after 2 years? |
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Eva226 |
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I have not read a word of your reviews because I don't want to be biased but I get a negative feeling in the air...
A coin dropping can be heard in Epidavrous theatre everywhere so I am not really worried about how loud their voices will be (just a sentence I read here and there, not really know what I am talking about). Well, only one week to go.. E.xxx
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JaneVictor |
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Hi Alkioni & Eva - lucky you seeing the play at Epidaurus, & yes I hope you'll be able to hear every word - the acoustics there are naturally
better than in the Lyttleton @ the NTh here - there are 'holes' in the acoustic reception in both this & the Olivier auditorium, ie depending which
seat you're in. Marianne Elliott, the director of All's Well at the Olivier, acknowledged the fault at the Olivier the other day, & said they were
'working' on this; tho in fact there have been similar problems since the theatre opened!
I also think that the production may well be 'opened up' for Epidaurus - at the Lyttleton we're dealing with a very confined space on the set, & the actors will feel & 'act' differently; so please tell us everything about the production when you've seen it! Simon Russell Beale will certainly look the part of Lear & already has the acting talent & capacity to take the part; but I think actors don't want to pitch it too early in their career, or in fact leave it 'too late'....... |
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KatherineY |
Re: OT: PHEDRE" National Theater now comes to NY Live series broadcasting in NYC and many other cities in the world! | ||
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I just saw it
Best, Katherine
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Eva226 |
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It was a very good evening. Not too hot, not too chilly... the theatre was full and the audience crowned with Kings & Queens... or EX Kings and Queens, but
that is irrelevant.
I didn't feel any particular excitement or anticipation, but the vibe was good. When Cooper & John Shrapnel started talking my first thought was "shout much? What were they talking about at the forum?". I could hardly hear them; in the theatre that has the best acoustics in the world!! I felt scared. Thought their rehearsals were not enough to master on how to project their voices in that venue. But soon after for some reason, that obstacle was overcome. Maybe they needed to warm-up, or something. I soon became engrossed in the play. The story was familiar, I had read about the changes in the plot and myth in the programme beforehand, and all that was left were words. Hughes's beautiful words! I cannot comment on Mirren's 'overacting' or Cooper's 'stiffness'. From where I was sitting, you can see no faces. The body language and the words are all you can go by. I said it when we discussed "Oedipus" and I'll say it again now. It's all about words. Racine is not ancient Drama, but follows the footsteps religiously and closely, so it is more or less the same. Ancient actors wore masks, you never saw their faces. It was the language and how they used their voices that got you completely transported. And that just worked last night at Epidavros. Maybe these plays and their essense are not meant to be confined in closed spaces. I don't know... Maybe it is the place's own mystique that got me all excited, but Phaedra was the best performance I've seen there in years. It was not suberb, it had its flaws (Thesseus? hmmmm...). I realise now that what I am writing is not a review, but an experience and maybe that is what theatre is all about. E.xxx
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LuvDoggie |
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Eva - but you watched it LIVE and in person. Which does make it more personal than the film version. I can see what you mean that the
"WORDS" are what is important in this play since it would be difficult see facial expressions from your vantage point. Anyway, theatre is to be
"experienced" anyway, right?
Hughes's beautiful words! Now I want to read this play! I can imagine his poetic words in the play already. |
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Eva226 |
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but you watched it LIVE and in person
I know the difference Evelyn and that is what I was trying to point out. A soberer tone now, I must say that the actor playing Thesseus was physically very wrong. It's not a good thing to say, but it is the truth. I agree with some of you that said Cooper's stiffness didn't convey his love for Aricia, but on the other hand it perfectly captured his contempt for Phaedra. I am not sure the addition of Aricia in the plot was a good choice. It adds a lot to the character of Phaedra, her jealusy and fury, but it takes away some of Hippolytous substance (that according to the myth). Anyway, the 2 plays ("Hippolytus" & "Phaedra") have basic differences, even if based on the same myth; as a result they kind of deal with different things or see things from a different point of view, give different excuses for their characters. It's not really fair to compare them. E.xxx
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JasmineStill |
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I can't understand why Hytner they cast Stanley Townsend as Theseus.
Eva, where was your seat and was that the best you could do even by booking the first morning? |
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Eva226 |
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My seat was at section E, lower tier, a few rows below the top.
But that is not my point. It's like that anywhere you seat at Epidavros. It's the essence of Ancient Drama. ETA: the more expensive tickets are the centre, lower tier and maybe from then you can have a "closer" look. I have sat there once, but I can't remember many differences. E.xxx
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JasmineStill |
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Yes, but I am not seeing Ancient Drama(!), so would like to be as near the front as possible (I realise that that is never going to be very close).
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Eva226 |
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Yes, right.
The Hellenic Festival site is down for the time being; I will visit later and give you some hints. E.xxx
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JasmineStill |
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Thanks, Eva.
Edited to say I wish I were seeing a Greek drama, actually. I'll have to make do with the scene where the verdict from the Oracle at Delphi is received.
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